Comments on: Did Alanis Morissette Get Irony Right? http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/ Copywriting and Content Marketing Strategies Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:30:46 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: 30 is the new black » Lara Bingle … is adult bullying ever ok? http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-848685 30 is the new black » Lara Bingle … is adult bullying ever ok? Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:29:40 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-848685 [...] bullying each other, workplace bullying or even bullying amongst our friends and family. This Alanis Morissette is an example of [...] [...] bullying each other, workplace bullying or even bullying amongst our friends and family. This Alanis Morissette is an example of [...]

]]> By: Want Music Biz Success? Lead By Example! | Frying in Vein http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-801023 Want Music Biz Success? Lead By Example! | Frying in Vein Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:52:06 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-801023 [...] All the time, we hear artists pleading, “support good music!”  Well, how about this?  You do it first!  Artists are just as guilty of illegally downloading content as the folks they feel are ruining their chances of success.  If that is not irony, then call me Alanis Morissette. [...] [...] All the time, we hear artists pleading, “support good music!”  Well, how about this?  You do it first!  Artists are just as guilty of illegally downloading content as the folks they feel are ruining their chances of success.  If that is not irony, then call me Alanis Morissette. [...]

]]> By: John http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-669560 John Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:06:44 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-669560 Without knowing the personal situations and feelings associated with the things in Ironic, the song will seem like it contains few actual ironies. For example rain on a wedding day is not literal irony, but if you think about what she means by wedding day, a wedding day is supposed to be your perfect day. So the revealed irony is Something imperfect (rain) happens on a day that is p My perfect day was perfect as But out of most of the people in this thread Sadormbo got it right in his post that I'll just needlessly reiterate: " “Sometimes irony requires an understanding of the subject that the reader my not possess, for example: I wish I had the sneezlbat of Winkadeel, because then every one would realize what a truly great person I am. Without understanding what both sneezlbat and Winkadeel mean the irony is lost. However change the sentence ever so slightly and you get: I wish I had the morals of Paris Hilton, because then every one would realize what a truly great person I am.” Greywolf you hit it home. I know a few artists that have personal encodings to their writings, and unless you know the specific personal encodings it won’t make sense to you. We don’t really know the ironies of this song, since we don’t really personally know what she meant, but one thing is clear. Considering that those are life situations, there are many more things about them that we don’t really know, most personal in nature. Those are the invisible …’s to each of those situations and unless you interview her you won’t really know what they are and will never know. Given those facts, I can definitely see how many people can become confused about ironies. " Without knowing the personal situations and feelings associated with the things in Ironic, the song will seem like it contains few actual ironies. For example rain on a wedding day is not literal irony, but if you think about what she means by wedding day, a wedding day is supposed to be your perfect day.

So the revealed irony is Something imperfect (rain) happens on a day that is p

My perfect day was perfect as
But out of most of the people in this thread

Sadormbo got it right in his post that I’ll just needlessly reiterate: ”
“Sometimes irony requires an understanding of the subject that the reader my not possess, for example:

I wish I had the sneezlbat of Winkadeel, because then every one would realize what a truly great person I am.

Without understanding what both sneezlbat and Winkadeel mean the irony is lost. However change the sentence ever so slightly and you get:

I wish I had the morals of Paris Hilton, because then every one would realize what a truly great person I am.”

Greywolf you hit it home. I know a few artists that have personal encodings to their writings, and unless you know the specific personal encodings it won’t make sense to you.

We don’t really know the ironies of this song, since we don’t really personally know what she meant, but one thing is clear. Considering that those are life situations, there are many more things about them that we don’t really know, most personal in nature. Those are the invisible …’s to each of those situations and unless you interview her you won’t really know what they are and will never know. Given those facts, I can definitely see how many people can become confused about ironies. “

]]> By: Daniel http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-669518 Daniel Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:42:49 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-669518 I once knew a DJ in Salt Lake who made a parody track of Alanis' "Ironic" by making it ironic. Alanis: "It's like raaaaiiin on your wedding day." (scratching record) IF YOU'RE A WEATHERMAN! Alanis: "A freeee ride when you're already there." (scratching record) IF YOU'RE A TAXI DRIVER. Cheers I once knew a DJ in Salt Lake who made a parody track of Alanis’ “Ironic” by making it ironic.

Alanis: “It’s like raaaaiiin on your wedding day.”
(scratching record)
IF YOU’RE A WEATHERMAN!
Alanis: “A freeee ride when you’re already there.”
(scratching record)
IF YOU’RE A TAXI DRIVER.

Cheers

]]> By: pim http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-579430 pim Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:27:08 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-579430 The irony of this song is that it is the most famous song about ironic situations, but contains next to real examples of irony. That is not only ironic, it's even recursive irony, can't beat that! Actually, if she would have limited herself to plainly list real ironic situations, would: - the song still be ironic in itself? - you still remember the song, though slightly frustrated It really is a piece of art. The irony of this song is that it is the most famous song about ironic situations, but contains next to real examples of irony. That is not only ironic, it’s even recursive irony, can’t beat that!

Actually, if she would have limited herself to plainly list real ironic situations, would:
- the song still be ironic in itself?
- you still remember the song, though slightly frustrated

It really is a piece of art.

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]]> By: Cream Puff is the New Cupcake | Fix the Fan Line http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-512905 Cream Puff is the New Cupcake | Fix the Fan Line Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:32:06 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-512905 [...] “Mr. Play-it-Safe was afraid to fly…” - You’re having as much trouble with irony as Alanis Morissette. [...] [...] “Mr. Play-it-Safe was afraid to fly…” – You’re having as much trouble with irony as Alanis Morissette. [...]

]]> By: I love irony, I really do… | Lazyteacher http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-444642 I love irony, I really do… | Lazyteacher Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:42:48 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-444642 [...] Morissette’s Ironic. A cottage Internet industry has sprung up to dissect the song (see here, here, here). Most takes suggest that Morissette was sleeping during that class in LA10 (It’s [...] [...] Morissette’s Ironic. A cottage Internet industry has sprung up to dissect the song (see here, here, here). Most takes suggest that Morissette was sleeping during that class in LA10 (It’s [...]

]]> By: Answer English Blog » Musical mysteries http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-263739 Answer English Blog » Musical mysteries Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:10:39 +0000 http://www.copyblogger.com/did-alanis-morissette-get-irony-right/#comment-263739 [...] into the word irony itself and the English Language I urge you to check out his latest blog post: Did Alanis Morissette get Irony Right?  I’d come to the conclusion too that the fact that virtually all of the lyrics in her hit [...] [...] into the word irony itself and the English Language I urge you to check out his latest blog post: Did Alanis Morissette get Irony Right?  I’d come to the conclusion too that the fact that virtually all of the lyrics in her hit [...]

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