Do You Know When to Stop Writing?

by Brian Clark

Finding Nemo picture

If you have young kids, you’re likely intimately familiar with Finding Nemo from 2003. The movie had the biggest opening weekend for any animated film at the time, and was the best selling DVD of all time for a couple years after.

Director Andrew Stanton pitched his idea and story to Pixar head John Lasseter in an hour long session, using elaborate visual aids and character voices. At the end of it, the exhausted Stanton asked Lasseter what he thought.

Lasseter replied, “You had me at ‘fish’.”

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1 Rehuel June 13, 2007 at 9:27 pm

“If you have young kids…”

I don’t and I’ve seen the movie at least 5 times, enjoying it every time.

Seriously: I think this example is to show that you don’t always have to say a lot to make a point. Elaborating is not always necessary in the first phase. Maybe it’s wise to have a “summarizing” phase, look for feedback, and then elaborate, if necessary.

2 webduck June 13, 2007 at 10:20 pm

Or, as they say, KISS. (keep it simple, stupid). I can’t think of the PC way to say it right now. Unless I get into some serious magpie mode, I try to get to the point ASAP, make pertinent comments, sum it up and then close.

3 Jean Browman June 13, 2007 at 10:21 pm

I get turned off by too many words. I have eyestrain and prefer people who have good ideas and get to the point.

4 A Tentative Personal Finance Blog June 13, 2007 at 10:31 pm

Anything more than 500 needs to be trimmed by 200 words.

5 Brian Clark June 13, 2007 at 10:37 pm

Well, I don’t know about that. A more correct answer would be as long as necessary, but not a word longer. :)

6 Wallet Rehab - Ways to make money June 14, 2007 at 1:13 am

I need to start writing shorter posts. Thanks for the reminder!

7 Art McCormack June 14, 2007 at 1:17 am

The point I walk away with here is that Stanton didn’t do his homework by failing to find out more about Lasseter’s decision making style. I doubt this was a “once in a life time… you had me at fish…” decision. As Brian said, as long as necessary is fine; how long, is determined by intimate knowledge of your target market.

8 Logical Philosopher June 14, 2007 at 3:18 am

Colorful things, flirting around and around on a blue, watery background? They had my kids by the opening sequence… I couldn’t wait for Cars to come out so I could move from hearing underwater bubbling sounds every day to a engine revving … or so I though.

9 scott June 14, 2007 at 7:30 am

I’m sorry — I drifted off after your first paragraph. You were saying? ;)

10 Brian Clark June 14, 2007 at 7:48 am

how long is determined by intimate knowledge of your target market.

Exactly.

11 James June 14, 2007 at 10:57 am

A very good point. In many cases, information overload reduces the conversion rate. Not just in writing but person to person also. I’ve seen this happen myself.
Great post.

12 Adam Kayce : Monk At Work June 14, 2007 at 11:12 am

That was really nice, thanks for that great reminder about keeping it short. As Shakespeare’s Polonius said (in Hamlet), “Brevity is the soul of wit.”

Thanks again.

13 Brian Clark June 14, 2007 at 11:17 am

Adam, heh. ;)

14 Angela June 14, 2007 at 10:09 pm

That’s so cute, I’ve watched Nemo more times than I can count with my son. And your post is a perfect example of getting straight to the point.

15 Bill June 14, 2007 at 10:41 pm

Brian,
As usual, your insights have caused me to pause, and re-evaluate my writing style.

Thanks for all the advice

16 Brian Clark June 14, 2007 at 10:47 pm

Bill, your writing style may be fine. My only point is to edit as tightly as possible to make your point. Let’s not make the mistake of leaving out crucial information just for the sake of brevity, or thinking that long pieces are bad. I write long posts all the time, but usually it’s because the subject matter demands it.

17 Joanna Young June 16, 2007 at 6:37 am

I wonder how much the use of strong visuals (and character voices) played a part in this particular example?

Joanna

18 Brian Clark June 16, 2007 at 7:19 am

Joanna, I’m not sure, but I’m betting he said the word “fish” before any of that. :)

19 Rob O. June 16, 2007 at 11:11 am

I’m reminded of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon (”Bugs ‘n Thugs”) when he came up against the mobsters…

Rocky: “Shut up!”

Bugs: “Shut up? Why certainly! You don’t think I’m the type that would keep on blabbin’? Some people never know when to stop. When I’m told to shut up, I shut up…”

Rocky: “Shut UP shut-in’ up!”

20 Queen of Suburbia June 17, 2007 at 6:24 pm

I did a few of the Agora copywriting courses.

There is one rule I still stick to.

Make your point in 14 words or less.

21 Matt Keegan June 18, 2007 at 1:40 pm

Good point! You have to know exactly when you have hooked your readers as well as when you have them reeled in. Too much blah*blah*blah can even backfire.

22 Vlad Balan June 21, 2007 at 8:20 am

That was deep :D

23 Mae June 22, 2007 at 7:15 pm

I have to say that I commit this mistake a lot, saying a lot when I could actually make the other person understand in less words. Kinda like this. :)

24 rob June 28, 2007 at 2:27 am

Its impressive how so few words can say so much.

I need to do this more.

Cheers

25 Deb Owen June 11, 2009 at 11:37 am

Yeah. I’ve already got a ‘plan’ to work on the brevity (being the soul of wit and all) thing….starting next week.
;-)

All the best!
deb

26 ablaz June 11, 2009 at 11:45 am

Great post! I think, like many others, I am guilty of filler just to make a post seem more in-depth than it actually is. Like using big words to make yourself sound smart. :)

27 Lorraine June 11, 2009 at 1:36 pm

Yes, yes, yes.

Most of my clients delineate word-count for projects so I’m forced to stay within their parameters.

I spend far more time cutting, revising and polishing than writing a first draft.

I find it helps to identify concrete goals for the piece then outline–or mindmap, whatever–rather than just letting it flow…into a 2,000 word stream of consciousness.

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